Interview: Bruno Toledo, Texas Army National Guard, US Army Reserve
First Lieutenant, 2006-2021
Here is the transcript of our interview with Bruno Toledo, a former First Class Lieutenant, who served 15 years combined in the Texas State Guard and the US Army Reserve. We explored what made him join, some of his most memorable experiences, the lessons he took away from his service, and on the lighter side, how it’s impacted his current job: Bieng my math teacher. Read the transcript, hear the audio, and see some photos from his time in service all down below:
Tanmay Rai: Hi Mr. Toledo. Thank you for making time for this interview. Today, I just wanted to ask you some questions about your time and service to give people like me who are younger, what it's like to serve. So the first question is just a bit about yourself, who you are, where you grew up, and what you're doing now.
Bruno Toledo: So I'm Bruno Toledo. I've been working here as a teacher at the village [school] since last year. It's my second year here. I've been a teacher for 10 years, and I was born in Brazil. Grew up in Brazil. When I was 15, I moved here to Houston, and joined the military when I was 17 years old. I actually had to get a consent form signed by my dad to enlist. And I enlisted in the Texas Army National Guard that was in 2006. Yeah, January. January of 2006 is when I joined. Yeah.
Tanmay Rai: Why did you join the guard?
Bruno Toledo: College money. That was the main reason, because, at the time, and they still do that, if you enlist in the guard or in the reserves, you get state tuition assistance as well as federal, federal tuition assistance. So yeah, that was the main reason, so that my college would be paid for.
Tanmay Rai: How did your family feel about you joining?
Bruno Toledo: They were supportive of it. No, you know, nobody was worried about, Oh, no, are you gonna go to war or anything like that? No, they were on board supporting me all the way. So, yeah, I was blessed to have a family that was on board with that and approved of it.
Tanmay Rai: Was there anyone else in your family who served, or was it just you?
Bruno Toledo: Um, So my great-grandpa served in the Brazilian Army other than him - No. Just me, me and him. And I don't know about, you know, his ancestors, but, yeah, just My great grandpa. He was a colonel in the Brazilian Brazilian Army in the 70s, 80s.
Tanmay Rai: Do you have any fun memories from training or the people you met there?
Bruno Toledo: Yeah. I mean, let me see if I can think of something specific. So I met a lot of great people. Funny story, when I was in basic training, and I did my basic training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, I met a guy there. His last name was Pryor, private pryor, and he had never met a black person before. He'd never seen one. So he was from, like some small, tiny town in the country, in some southern state, and the first time he met an African American was when he shipped to basic training. So I thought that was very interesting. Any other funny stories, I don't know. Yeah, basic training was great. I mean, I remember losing 10 pounds. I went in, got out with, you know, no hair, 10 pounds lighter. So that was probably, like, my healthiest time, you know, was the healthiest I had ever been, was when I, when I left basic training. So this was 2006, yeah.
Tanmay Rai: I heard the food in basic training is bad sometimes. Was it? What was your opinion on basic training? Was it bad?
Bruno Toledo: No, honestly, it's as good as the food here [at school], there's, you know, the problem is, the drill sergeants make you eat very fast. So you get your tray, you you know, they serve the food, put it on the tray for you. You go sit at the table, and they give you like, about like, especially at the beginning of basic training when they're really strict, you get, like, maybe two minutes to eat. So you'll see all the soldiers like chowing it down super fast. And after that, I never really re-learned how to eat slowly. So I've always eaten fast, and my wife hates it because, you know, she she wants me to, like, savor the food, you know, and chew properly. And I'm just so used to eating fast. And I got that habit from basic training.
Tanmay Rai: Did they make you, like, fold your socks a certain way and, like, I read stuff -
Bruno Toledo: Yeah, because they actually inspect the drawer. So you had to roll. So we don't want to actually fold shirts and stuff. We roll the shirts. The socks are, you know, tucked inside each other, right?
Tanmay Rai: Yeah.
Bruno Toledo: So you make a little bundle. Everything's rolled, even the underwear is rolled, the shirts, the shorts for the physical training, PT, you have to roll those that the PT shirt you gotta roll on. And then, of course, the combat uniform, which at the time, was called the ACU, the Army combat uniform. Now it's a different one whose acronym I can’t remember. But you know those you would hang on on a hanger. So, yeah, but they inspected the barracks all the time. So like, at least once a week, you know, the drill sergeants would go inspect, inspect, and they would open the drawers to make sure everything is, we call it dress right. Dress, yeah, and I'm making sure everything is in order, lined up and yeah. And if it weren't, they would like, literally, like trash the place. They would like, take everything out of the drawers and, like, trash, you know, flip beds, flip mattresses. Yeah, they were savages, drill sergeants. And the important thing is to like, you know, for anybody that wants to join, is to not take the drill Sergeant's attitudes personally, right? They, you know, they'll get on your face and put their finger on your face and yell at you, but they only do that to make you into a better person. They want you to build character and build resilience. So as long as you don't take it personally, as long as you know how, yeah, they're just doing this to kind of teach me a lesson, you'll be fine.
Tanmay Rai: So do you think you had a good relationship with your drill sergeant?
Bruno Toledo: Yeah. So at the beginning, you know, they're very strict, like they don't really talk to you, they just yell at you. But as you know, as training progresses, they get more and more friendlier. So yeah, for sure, but there were people that you know didn't like the drill sergeants yelling of them, and they wouldn't, like, you know, say f-you drill sergeant, and they was like, smoking, you know, so and to a point where, you know, if you kept disrespecting them, they would just kick you out, like they would annul your enlistment. Listen, yeah, but no, you just don't take it personally, because they're human beings, just just like us. And, you know, you just have to have the mentality of, you know, it's part of the show. They want to yell at you and make you feel bad, to see who, who can withstand that kind of treatment. And, you know, in a tough situation, you want the people that are resilient, that will not just, you know, you know, like, lie down and cry, right? You want people that can withstand the emotional, the emotional stress that they try to impose on, you.
Tanmay Rai: What was the biggest change from going into the military and then coming out? Was there anything that shocked you or something that hit you a lot?
Bruno Toledo: Well, So in the military, I was very used to hearing the word[s] sir and ma'am. You know, everything is so yes, sir, yes, ma'am, when you're addressing officers, commissioned officers. And, you know, going back into the civilian world, you don't hear that as much. So that was, I'm like, Huh? You know what? I wish people would just say sir or ma'am more often. But, yeah, that was, that was one thing I noticed other than that, not really. I was never active duty, right? So, you know, the only, the only time I've spent on military bases was for training purposes. So, but you know, maybe people that have been active duty for a long time, you know, they might notice more of a difference. Yeah.
Tanmay Rai: Are you still close to the people you are with in the Guard?
Bruno Toledo: The guard? So I actually left the National Guard in 2014 because I was doing ROTC, you know, yeah, I was doing ROTC at, U of H [University of Houston], when I graduated, I received my commission as a Second Lieutenant in the Army Reserve. So I actually had a choice. I could go to the National Guard or Reserve, and I wanted a change. So I chose reserve. And so ever since, I haven't really talked to my old National Guard buddies. However, you know, when I received my commission as an officer, I asked this one sergeant first class from my previous National Guard unit to give the first salute. You know, part of the ceremony is you get saluted by a non commissioned officer and you and, you know, after they salute you, you give them a silver dollar, which I had to go find at a chase at a Chase Bank. But that was, that was really cool. So, you know, He saluted me. This was, you know, in front of an audience, He saluted me. I saluted him back, and I gave him the silver dollar. But that was really the last time I spoke with anybody from the National Guard. And then in the reserves, I met new people, made new friends. But now that I'm out, I've been out for I got out, what? Three years ago, I haven't really - kind of lost contact with them. Haven't talked to them.
Tanmay Rai: Can you just, like, walk us through from when you started in the guard? till the end of your service? Like, just walk us through?
Bruno Toledo: Sure, yeah. So, so I joined, graduated from high school maybe two days later, three, two or three days later, I was already I went to downtown Houston to do my physical. The place is called maps, medical, military entrance, something, something, yeah, it's basically where they do the physical exam on you to make sure you know you're in good health, to serve in the military, and that's not just for the Army, for all arms, armed services. So any recruits from the Houston area will go to this place down in downtown Houston. So I, so I was there, and from there, we took a bus to the airport, and then we flew straight to Lockton, Oklahoma, and from there, we took a bus to Fort Sill. And at the time, I don't know about now, but at the time, Fort Sill was a training site only for males, so my basic training was just males. No, no no. Females. I know, at some other army bases, like Fort Jackson, South Carolina, they have girls and boys, or males and females together. But at Fort Sill it was all males. So I got there, you know, everything's so rushed, like they're yelling at you, like, grab your crap. And, you know, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Move. Move like, you know, I think on the very first day, they clipped our hair, you know, shaved all of it, you know, my entire head was bald. Not that I have much hair nowadays, but back then, I didn't have a bald spot. And, you know, all my hair was shaved off. And so also the beginning showers, you know, you would shower at night, and they would give you about 30 seconds to shower, like, it's like, Alright, get in there. And, you know, they would start the timer, and then they would blow a whistle, like, Get out, get out! You know, trying to take a full shower in 30 seconds. It's not an easy task. But, you know, in basic training, I did a lot of cool things. I got to shoot the M-16. It's an assault rifle. So they, you know, they took us to the pop up target range, the shooting range, and you have, you get 4040, targets right now. The closest one is 50 meters from you. The farthest one is 300 meters from you.
Tanmay Rai: Wow
Bruno Toledo: Yeah, 300 meters, yeah. And, and you have to hit at least 23 out of the 40. Well, some it's, it's not 40 different targets. It's uh, because they pop up. Sometimes you get the same target pop up more than once. But you have to hit 23 out of 40 in order to qualify with a M-16, uh, I also shot the 50 Cal, you know, with a butterfly, uh, trigger. I got to throw grenades, like live frag grenades. That was awesome. What else? I shot The m2-49 saw, that's an automatic assault rifle. I shot, oh, the grenade launcher. We got to shoot the m 203, so basically, all the weapons you've seen, Call of Duty, yeah, it's awesome. And then what else? Yeah, that was pretty much it. And, you know, you go through squad tactics training, you know, they put you in the middle of the jungle, and you have to, like, complete missions. It was really good, and I lost a lot of weight because you work out. You wake up at like, 4:30 in the morning and you brush your teeth, you shave. They make you shave every day, right. Because, you know, if you don't shave, like, even if you shave at night time, by the time you wake up, you have that five o'clock shadow, right? So they make you shave in the morning, and then you put on your PT uniform. And you go through your physical training like you start training at like 5:30 in the morning, and you do a ton of push ups, a ton of sit ups, jumping jacks, you name it. And then you go for a run, right? You finish the PT session with a run. And at first they were easy, like one hour, one mile runs or so, and then you got to do two miles, and then three miles. And actually, I remember because I wasn't in the best shape, best shape of my life, at the beginning of basic training. And I remember passing out one time. I literally passed out because I couldn't, you know, running, running, running. But couldn't breathe, so I just passed out. So they actually took me to the clinic. I remember the drill sergeant and some other NCOs, non commissioned officers, grabbing my body, putting me on, on a litter, and taking me to some clinic on post and I was okay, but yeah, it was, it was crazy. But yeah, they, you know, they work. You're gonna get in good shape, because you're gonna get about the best workout of your life. And then, and that was pretty much it for, for basic training, you know, I got to graduate with my class, and my dad actually flew to Fort Sill to see me, you know, graduate from from basic training. So that was awesome. And then from there, I flew from Fort Sill, Oklahoma, to San Antonio, Texas, to go to Fort Sam, Houston, one of the army bases. Actually, it's the only army base in San Antonio. San Antonio has two air force bases and one Army, Army base called Fort Sam Houston, because my job in the military when I was in the guard was to become a lab technician, a medical laboratory technician. Okay, so I took the plane to San Antonio. And funny story, you know, I was wearing my Class-A uniform, right, the dress uniform, and it was me and another soldier that was going to the same base inside the airplane. We were we, you know, of course, the army was cheap and gave us the economy seats, but there was room in first class. So the stewardess came to us and said, Hey, you guys can sit up front. So they actually allowed us to sit in first class. So that was cool. That was my first time, you know, sitting in first class, so that was nice. But anyway, so when I got to Fort Sam Houston, the drill sergeants at that point weren't, you know mean. They were there to make sure you weren't doing anything wrong. But they weren't like, just yelling at you for no reason. They were nice, and let's see. So that training, so the school that I went to, because, you know, you can have multiple jobs in the military, right? You have, you name it. You can be a photographer, you can be a fireman. You can be whatever you want. But I chose medical laboratory technician, and that job is the one that requires the most school. Okay, my training was literally 52 weeks long. It was a year long. So I was there in San Antonio, Fort Sam Houston, for a whole year. And, you know, we did our clinical so the hospital there at the base of at the time, it was called BMC Brook, Army Medical Medical Center, BAMC. I did my clinicals there, and I got to work with real patient samples. I got to grow bacteria in a petri dish, petri dishes. I got to test blood, test urine test, you name it. So, yeah, it was pretty cool. I got to draw blood. So part of the training is phlebotomy, so you get to stick people and draw blood from their vein. It was, it was good. I enjoyed them. At the time I wanted to become a doctor, so that's why I chose the medical field,
Tanmay: That makes sense.
Bruno Toledo: And then, of course, the combat medics, I wasn't a medic, but the combat medics also go to Fort Sam Houston to do their training. Fort Sam Houston is where the medical jobs are, are trained, yeah. And then, that was a year long, and after that, I was no longer on active duty for training, so I came back to Houston, and I was living with my parents at the time, and I got a job at Kroger. I started working at Kroger while I was going to school, because, once, once you get out of your training, and by the way, this so you have basic training, the second training where I learned to become a medical laboratory technician called AIT, advanced individual training. Okay, okay. And everybody in the military has to go to both boot camp or in the Marines, they call it boot camp. But you go to basic training, and then you. Go to your AIT, okay. So then, when I came back as a civilian, still in the military, because I would drill with my unit once a month, okay, right? So once, one weekend a month, I would go to my unit. My unit was in Lamarck, Texas. It's close to Galveston. It's like, maybe, like 10, miles from, from the coast. Okay, you just take 45 all the way, 45 south all the way. That's where my unit was, and I would go there once a month and train with them. It was a medical unit, Charlie Company, part of the 536 brigade Support Battalion. So I did that for eight years, and then when I commissioned as a second lieutenant, I switched to the Army Reserve, and my Army Reserve Base was, or is, in Beaumont. Beaumont, Texas, so close to Louisiana. Take I 10 for almost two hours from here, and I would go there once a month and train with them. So I was part of the headquarters and head headquarters company HHC. They call it the 373rd combat sustainment and support Battalion. So I did that for another seven years, and then I just kind of got tired of it. I got tired and, and, you know, I just, I just wanted out. So I did a total of 15 years, but I was never active duty. And if you know, I wish I had been active duty the whole time, I think my experience would have been completely different, yeah, but in the reserves and in the National Guard, there's a lot of, how can I say this? A lot of confusion, and a lot of there's a lack of organization.
Tanmay Rai: Makes sense.
Bruno Toledo: You know? Whereas in an active duty unit, there's more order and more, you know, more structure. Okay, so I experienced, I had some bad experiences in the National Guard than the Army Reserve when it comes to, you know, them just wasting people's time, and not having the plan ready, not having things ready, equipment, not working, that kind of stuff.
Tanmay Rai: Okay.
Bruno Toledo: So I kind of got a little tired and disillusioned with it, and that's that was part of the reason why I wanted to switch from the guard to the reserve, the Army Reserve, because the guard was a mess. And then when I switched to the reserve. Yeah. So maybe I, you know, if I could go back in time, I'd probably enlist, not in the National Guard, but active duty. But yeah, and, and that was it. So one, one thing I did miss a lot from from the military, is the medical insurance, health insurance. So, like, for my whole family, I could pay, like, maybe, I think I was paying $250 for my whole family, no matter how many kids, if I have 10 kids, they all get the same health insurance. Which was really good. You know, my wife, she had 2 c sections, one for each of our boys, and, you know, my health insurance, the military one. It's called, it's called TRICARE. It's called TRICARE to cover the whole thing. You know, and she stayed in a room because, you know, when you get a C section, you have to recover for several days. And, like, we stayed in that hospital for like, a good week, and the whole time that she was there, you know, we would have been billed $19,000 but the military took care of it. Make sure the TRICARE took care of all of it. I paid nothing, you know, other than the premium that I was paying every month. So, yeah, that was good. And once I got out, I lost that. Okay, so I don't have any, I don't have health insurance anymore. And, you know, civilian health insurance may cover things, but you know, the premiums, like for a family, you're gonna be paying like, $1,000 a month.
Tanmay Rai: That's like, five times.
Bruno Toledo: Yeah, so you know it's not, it's not, not ideal, which is why I don't have health insurance anymore, because I think it's a scam. But yeah, and that's a whole different story. But yeah, that's pretty much it, man. Any other questions you have?
Tanmay Rai: What's your best memory? Like, I know it was disorganized, but do you have any memories of oh, that’s a funny thing I did?
Bruno Toledo: So I missed the places I've been to with the military. So I got to see a lot of this country just by being a member of the military. So, you know, they took me to California twice. They. Took me to Wisconsin once. So, so, okay, let me just tell you all the places with the military, right? Not me, you know, personally, yeah, this is the military paying for my trip to go do some kind of training, uh, been to Fort Irwin, California, twice. I've been to Fort McCoy, Wisconsin. I've been to Fort Sill, Oklahoma, Fort Sam Houston, Texas, a bunch of times. I've been to Fort Hood a bunch of times, it's also in Texas. Fort Hood is the largest military base in the world.
Tanmay Rai: Wow
Bruno Toledo: Yeah, it's in Killeen, Texas, but not far from here, I've been to Fort Polk, Louisiana, a bunch of times. I've been to Fort Knox, Kentucky, and I was there in the winter, so it was covered in snow. So that was cool. And let me see, I'm sure I'm missing. Oh, when I was in ROTC, I had to do my Cadet training because, you know, cadets at that time and our cadet training, they call it, I think the name has changed, but they used to call it LDAC leadership development and assessment course. It was at Ford in Fort Lewis, Washington State. beautiful. So if you've ever seen the license plate from Washington State. It's got this volcano. It's called Mount Rainier. It's on the license plate of the state. And I actually saw Fort Lewis. Like, basically, Mount Rainier is, like, right next to Fort Lewis. So I gotta see it, like, right? I got to stand in front of it and just admire it's a beautiful snow capped volcano. Dormant, yeah, it's beautiful. I was amazed by it, you know, I was in awe. It was such a nice sight. And I actually saw I had this view of it when I was doing the land navigation course. You know, land navigation, I did that in basic training too. I guess I forgot to say that. But, you know, they give you a compass, they give you a map,
Tanmay Rai: That's it?
Bruno Toledo: They give you coordinates, and they're like, Okay, find all the points. And it's awesome navigation, because I'm really good at it. It's all math, right? It's like calculating angles. I love it. So, you know, during the course, and you have, you have so much time to do it right? But during the course, I got to, like, stop for a second and just admire Mount Rainier. It's such a beautiful mountain, and you know, it's featured on the license plate of the state. It's beautiful. So that was a good memory of being in the military, just being able to see all these places in the country, but mount, see Mount Rainier in Fort Lewis Washington, was my favorite. That was my favorite. Yeah.
Tanmay Rai: What's the biggest thing, like the biggest lesson you learned from, like, the 15 years you spent?
Bruno Toledo: Um, just so the Army values, right? So, loyalty, duty, honor, integrity, right now, don't lie, respect, treat people like they want to be treated. Personal courage, you know, trust the equipment that you have, because I've always been afraid of heights, but when I was in basic training, I had to do this repel tower, right? You had to repel down from a tower. That's pretty far. I don't know, like, maybe, like, 25 feet, 50 feet, I don't know, it's pretty tall. That's tall. If you fall from it, you will die. Okay, right? And, you know, they, they, they teach you how to set up the rope and the hook thing. I forgot what it's called, but you know, being afraid of heights, I'm like, okay, look, I have to trust my equipment, right? So I'm gonna trust that this equipment will not fall. And I didn't, you know, I repelled down, and that was good. So they teach you, you know, have courage. Don't be afraid. Oh, gas chamber. I forgot to mention the gas chamber -
Tanmay: They put you in a gas chamber?
Bruno Toledo: Oh, yeah, many times. So they put you in this gas chamber. And the gas chamber has this, I forget what it is - tear gas, basically.
Tanmay Rai: Did you get a mask?
Bruno Toledo: Yeah, so, okay, so you have the whole suit, right? So a mask, the hood, gloves, boots, this suit. Yeah, and, and everything is tied right so, like you tie the top of the boots, you know, so that it's sealed. You tie right here on your wrist, your gloves, and you make sure that the mask is sealed properly to your face. And they make you go, like they send, I don't know, maybe 10 soldiers at a time. You go in there. It's. A little house. It's literally, like a little house, no windows, and it's got this giant tank that's releasing the gas. So when you go in, like, you can't see anything, because there's so much smoke. Yeah, right, and that's not true - You can see but, but you can only see the fog. You can see the fog. And, you know, the drill sergeants, of course, they keep their masks on, but they, they'll, you know, say, alright, take your mask off.
Tanmay Rai: Take the mask off?
Bruno Toledo: Yeah, yeah.
Tanmay Rai: Wow.
Bruno Toledo: So Okay, and as soon as you take the mask off, the gas burns your skin too. It burns your skin on contact. So you're already feeling a burning sensation, okay? But, of course, you're holding your breath, right? Yeah, but eventually you can only hold your breath for so long, so they'll, they'll make you say the Soldier's Creed. All right. You recite the soldier screen, and you go, I am and you start coughing, and snot is running down your nose, and it's an awful feeling. You have no idea until you experience it. I cannot use words to describe it, but as soon as the gas hits your lungs, it's this awful feeling you cannot, like, act like nothing's happening. It's impossible. Your your lungs, I don't know, they contract or something, and you cannot breathe. You have snot just coming down your nose. It's awful. And you know, they make you stay there for about 10 seconds or so, and then they open the door, and they're like, all right out, and they tell you to when you're when you get out to, like, flap your arms like this. It just, I don't know why. They tell you to lean forward a little bit and flap your arms like this. And everybody's got snot all over the place. It's awful. So, yeah, I've done the gas chamber a couple of times.
Tanmay Rai: more than once?
Bruno Toledo: Oh yeah, because I had to do it during AIT as well. I also had to do it at Al Dac, my Cadet training there. So I've done that at least three times. It never gets better.
Tanmay Rai: Never?
Bruno Toledo: No, but yeah, every year you get to shoot. You know when, when I told you we go to the range to qualify with our weapons. That wasn't just during basic training. That's something got to do every year, every year you have to pass the physical training. So you know, they see how many push ups you can do in two minutes, how many push ups, or, sorry, how many situps you can do in two minutes. How many or how long it takes you to run two miles, right? Those are the three main events. But yeah, the gas chamber.
Tanmay Rai: That’s so weird - can't believe they made you do that.
Bruno Toledo: It happened. It was awful. What else my man - what else you got?
Tanmay Rai: I was thinking, so after the gas chamber, did you ever think like I want to quit, like this is too much? Or did you never really feel like that?
Bruno Toledo: No, no, I was determined - I wasn’t like, that weak. I knew that it was going to be over, you know. Because you go in knowing how long training is. Basic training is like 9 weeks long, so you’re counting the days - everyone is counting the days. yeah, So, you know, if you know it'll be over soon, and you know, this is not going to be the rest of your life, it keeps you determined to keep going and not quit.
Tanmay Rai: So you feel like you became a better person after leaving?
Bruno Toledo: Oh yeah. I think so. Just learned leadership skills, and I learned to just respect people more and appreciate service, you know. You know, we got to meet a lot of generals, a lot of command sergeant majors, people who have served for 30 years or more, and you just hear their stories the things they've experienced and you appreciate service and you hope that one day you can do the same thing for your country that these men and women did.
Tanmay Rai: Do you think your time in the service made you a better leader for our math class?
Bruno Toledo: Haha, well, yeah because I try to keep a drill sergeant mentality for students who are kind of abusing the system and taking my niceness for granted. So yeah, sometimes when I see people sleeping - or when I see too many people - like if you are having too much fun in a math class, you’re not doing what you’re supposed to be doing. So you know, I get people on that. I have to yell at some of the people who sit in the back because they are out of control. I learned, just like the drill sergeants are the gods, you know, in basic training, in my classroom, I’m the god. And you do what I say. I just tell people, because sometimes, I kick them out of class. I say, alright, look, I’m going to give you an infraction, and I don’t want you here right now, go chill out somewhere else and think about what you did. And when I see them the following morning, I pull them aside and tell them, don’t take it personally. It’s - I do this for a reason. It’s to make sure you learn the lesson and don’t repeat the same mistake. And I’ve never had somebody be like nah nah - they always hear me, and they understand where I’m coming from.
Tanmay Rai: Thank you so much sir - I felt like I've learned a lot from this interview.
Bruno Toledo: Yeah, yeah of course!
